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Original Source ↗Sergey Izrigi:
Why is it necessary to create a Dreaming map? Firstly, it is the not-doing of Dreaming, meaning the focus of attention is shifted not to the internal dialogue (which, as Ray correctly noted, has also penetrated our Dreaming), but to something many people have never distinguished in Dreaming – the locale where dream events occur.
Sergey, this is what troubles me. In many dreams, not everything translates into images. The main thing is the atmosphere of the dream. That's what I remember, and then, if I want to recall the dream, I recall this atmosphere, and through it, everything else comes back. And the atmosphere of a dream, of course, is partly expressed by dream images (like closed-open, dark-light, etc.), but not precisely and without detail. And why express it, when one can perceive and remember it in its pure form? You see, not a jaguar or a thin, tall, frightening person, but a presence. The very atmosphere of this being. Like La Gord'a did. I think one of the most important tasks for a dreamer (and for a seer) is to learn to distinguish this atmosphere well. To distinguish it not as warm-cold, but much more detailed, deep, and full. This is the universal language of the universe. Not symbols for objects, but the objects themselves. The atmosphere of an object carries complete information about it. But not translated into symbols. Not interpreted. To abandon images and recall what atmosphere was in what place. We automatically interpret it as images, but this is merely an interpretation. Even don Juan said that he sees the same place in the dreamworld differently than CC. And the world is the same. Do you remember the walk through the market?
Indeed, when you started talking about maps, I thought that the map should be composed not of pictures, but of subtle sensations. (Naturally, in doing so, attention is also shifted from internal dialogue outwards.) But I don't quite imagine how they can be oriented in space. Probably, it's possible. But... What to tie them to? What reference point? Usually, in a dream, there is only one reference point – you yourself. One can say "right-left, up-down," and so on. But... it's not very convenient for cartography. Because you are always at the center, and everything else is around you. It's always around you. And it will overlap if you take different dreams. Another dimension needs to be introduced. Maybe mark dreams on one's own body? Let's say, today's dream – at this point, yesterday's – at that. The points, however, are not on the physical body. Again, what identifies a dream? Its atmosphere. Its defining background, I once wrote about it. And where is the point that uniquely corresponds to the defining background? Just don't tell me it's the position of the Assemblage Point. I know that myself, but what practical use is it if I don't see my Assemblage Point and can't move it at will 2.17 mm up-right...? :))) Something tangible? If I find myself in a place in a dream where I have been before, I recognize it precisely by its atmosphere, and not at all by its interior/landscape. And besides, I never dream exactly the same images. For example, I have often dreamed of the university building where I studied, or my school, but the images never repeated. There was always something different.
Sergey Izrigi:
The ultimate effect of this technique can be described as an "explosive" recall of almost all Dreaming experiences of one's life. Recall not in terms of what I said to someone and what they later answered me. No, it is the recall of the places I have been in my Dreaming – that is, those positions of the Assemblage Point that were involved in Dreaming. It is then that many dreamers begin to have stable visions of Lucid Dreams.
That would be great. But with the map, it's not always clear. Sometimes I dream of utterly indescribable spaces. All sensations are concrete, but where it is, how it's oriented, etc. – absolutely unclear. It's as if such a question is even inappropriate.
And by the way, here's another problem. Well, let's say you dream of a room. Nothing else, just this room. How do you know where south is, where east is? The action takes place in the room, you don't leave it, the sun doesn't shine through the window, there's no compass. Then another dream. You haven't been in this room before or since. How do you place it on a map? In what location? In what orientation? It's ripped out, it's a fragment. But if you "map" by other characteristics, say, by lighting, then you can systematize it. For example: 1) dark places; 2) twilight; 3) bright light. By heaviness-lightness, you can too. By the volume of space around you. And so on.
Sergey Izrigi:
It is then that they begin to ponder what to do next?
Maxx: Cool. Why postpone it? Why not think about it now? The ultimate effect is explosive recall. Is that the goal?
It's not the ultimate goal. It's an intermediate one. :) A person will not attain their wholeness until they recall all their dreams. For the wholeness of oneself is to be aware of oneself in all positions of the Assemblage Point where you have been. So that nothing remains hidden, so that there is no "other you." You are unified, whole, remembering everything that has happened to you.
Sergey Izrigi:
Yes, labyrinths are symbolic. They are a manifestation of certain energetic components of the universe. Our mind transforms them into a template which, for absolutely unclear reasons, is seen by people as a labyrinth. K. believes that the seed of this template is embedded in our consciousness in the prenatal (pre-birth) period. And here questions arise: by whom is it embedded, how? and with what purpose? (And you say there are no reasons for analysis here.)
I believe that these very labyrinths truly exist in the universe. Because there are tubes in the universe that connect. There is such an archetype in the universe. Guts, burrows, caves, the world of Inorganic Beings (?) :) No one specifically implants this image in us. It is a universal model that we possess, being a part of the universe.